>  A> I think these days you need to either have a bunch of actives, have a
>  A> golden job (ie. be a public officer, since public officers can't be fired
>  A> from their jobs for all practical purposes) or run a business as a
>  A> self-employed tradesman with a minimum of antiquity. Else you are not
>  A> getting shit from the bank.

> It's really too bad that governments ultimately just seem to be looking out
> for their own pensions on the backs of workers/citizens and not implement
> systems that benefit the people they are relying on for taxes.

If you mean "upper government," as in elected officials and their appointees,
I am with you.

If you mean the people who are actually doing the work, not so much.  Those
people the ones that keep everything going, don't usually get paid a whole lot
for doing it, *and* they also pay taxes.  If they entered government with an
agreement that there'd be a pension for them when they retire, they deserve
(and are owed!) that pension.

Mike

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